Matt Ready

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Commissioner Buhler
Okay. In that case, we will now go into, our discussion of the Peninsula Health Alliance proposal. It’s a little background. The public has read and heard about a proposed alliance between Jefferson Health Care and Olympic Medical Center. It is true that we were considering such a proposal in the hope that we could work with our neighbors to help both of us thrive in this time of uncertain financial climate.

00:00:33:05 – 00:01:03:28
Commissioner Buhler
There were other parties who also submitted proposals. Part of the proposal process was a confidentiality agreement that is typical in these circumstances, and which we agreed to for commissioners have complied with the agreement. One did not. We have lost our opportunity to develop the proposal into an actual plan, which we would have taken to our community for discussion before any commitment to the plan was made.

00:01:04:00 – 00:01:37:03
Commissioner Buhler
That’s the way this board has always operated, as we did with the 1995. And yes, buildings and our new project due to open in August. While the long member brought allegations against the rest of the board and the CEO. We continued to honor the confidentiality agreement. However, due to the circumstances, we have been granted some relief from the agreement and can now speak openly.

00:01:37:06 – 00:02:17:21
Commissioner Buhler
This section of today’s agenda is our opportunity to do just that. To ensure fairness in the discussion, Commissioner Cobb has proposed a methodology he has used successfully in the past as chair. I am now turning the meeting over to case with the apology that the the original, the type the format for his section is that I sent out originally is, is the draft and he has sent out a new, a different one that is more detailed.

00:02:17:21 – 00:02:27:17
Commissioner Buhler
So, but it’s the same premise. So case, can you, can you please take over and.

00:02:27:19 – 00:03:01:12
Commissioner Kolff
I would be happy to. Jill. Thanks. And, as Jill mentioned, when I saw that, a discussion was on this agenda, on the agenda today, and realizing that many of us, had many thoughts and comments that we would like to make. I considered, perhaps a good format that we could use was one that we have used for many years at the Port Townsend Eco village.

00:03:01:15 – 00:03:30:12
Commissioner Kolff
This is a format that we learned when we adopted the governance style called So theocracy, and it includes the idea. So what I’d like to do now is, have somebody read the letter just to make sure. Does everybody have the copy of the draft of the open letter to the public that Jill and I, prepared?

00:03:30:15 – 00:03:32:16
Commissioner Dressler
Yes.

00:03:32:19 – 00:03:38:24
Commissioner Kolff
Does everyone have that? Okay. I think it would be worth reading it. For the for the public record. Does that seem reasonable?

00:03:38:26 – 00:03:39:20
Commissioner Dressler
Yes.

00:03:39:22 – 00:03:48:16
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Is there someone who would like to read it other than myself? So you don’t have to hear my voice? Too often during this.

00:03:48:18 – 00:03:50:24
Commissioner Dressler
I think you do a very good job reading a case.

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Commissioner Buhler
I think so, too.

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Commissioner Dressler
Because you’re not dating it.

00:03:53:18 – 00:04:20:16
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. You want me to read it? Good. So this is to the residents of East Jefferson County from the board of Jefferson Health Care regarding the allegations and misstatements by Commissioner Matt Read. Commissioner already has accused his four fellow commissioners at Jefferson Health Care of violating the open public Meetings Act openly with regards to its involvement in CEO Mike Glenn’s preparation and submittal of a response called the Peninsula Health Alliance proposal to Olympic Medical Center’s request for proposals.

00:04:20:19 – 00:04:46:22
Commissioner Kolff
We believed that we were in compliance with the OPM when we held one executive session in February to learn about the real estate component of the alliance proposal and the second executive session in March, to consult with our attorney, Brad Berg, regarding our decision to use an executive session. And that meeting was in March, and he believed that our decision could be justified because of Commissioner Rennie’s charges against his fellow commissioners, our CEO Mike Len and Attorney Byrd.

00:04:46:24 – 00:05:09:09
Commissioner Kolff
We are currently seeking a second opinion from another municipal attorney in a separate firm. We believe Mike Glenn acted within his authority as CEO when he submitted an alliance proposal to OMC. At no time did he see consent on either the content or request permission of the board. It’s not that’s not what it says, but to submit the proposal during the executive sessions.

00:05:09:11 – 00:05:29:20
Commissioner Kolff
It was also his right to seek private input from two individual board member board members early in the drafting process, and to invite two members to attend meetings with OMC later. In fact, OMC requested board members attend the joint meeting. These were not serial meetings because the roles of the commissioners were entirely different. At no time did he negotiate any terms with OMC.

00:05:29:22 – 00:05:50:22
Commissioner Kolff
He simply presented the Alliance proposal as required by OMC of all RFP respondents. He signed a non-disclosure agreement, but at no time did he commit to bind Jefferson Healthcare to any other agreement or share real estate. That was the initial justification. Now, excuse me, I missed one part of that. Let me continue that, commit to bind any other agreement.

00:05:50:29 – 00:06:24:03
Commissioner Kolff
The Alliance proposal clearly states that the Jefferson Healthcare Board would continue to have full control over its governance and assets. It could choose to sell, purchase or share real estate. And that was the initial justification of an executive session in February. Sharing of services with OMC and or real estate swaps and or sales could be done through an agreement executed by the separate Alliance board of 12 members, made up of both OMC and Jefferson Healthcare boards, where each entity, regardless of the different number of board members, had equal decision making power.

00:06:24:06 – 00:06:44:27
Commissioner Kolff
We were satisfied that one, the independent authority over governance and operations of each entity, would be preserved to that if we were selected as a partner. Any negotiations between OMC and Jefferson Healthcare would involve open and thorough community involvement. Three that there would be no binding agreement of any kind without full community input and a public board vote.

00:06:45:00 – 00:07:13:19
Commissioner Kolff
And for Jefferson, health care could benefit tremendously from such an alliance. In a retreat workshop of our Jefferson Health Care Board in 2024, we hired Rex Bergdorf from Juniper Advisory, the same person and company working with OMC, to give us an overview of how partnerships and alliances can be formed by public hospital districts. We knew that closer relationships with other healthcare entities would likely be necessary for financial stability in order to preserve our governance independence.

00:07:13:22 – 00:07:36:27
Commissioner Kolff
With the now obvious challenges we will face with funding cuts at both the federal and state levels. This potential alliance seemed like a benefit for both Jefferson Health Care and OMC for increasing our collective bargaining, purchasing and contracting power, not to mention sharing of services to avoid redundancy. Michigan already accused us of silencing and muting him during several meetings using Robert’s Rules of Order.

00:07:37:05 – 00:07:59:17
Commissioner Kolff
Some of us attempted to limit the time Commissioner Redi was able to speak at board meetings. We were concerned that the more he revealed publicly what the rest of us thought was appropriately still confidential information, the more it would jeopardize the acceptance of the Alliance proposal by Olympic Medical Center. Our proposal is no longer being considered, and revealing its content prematurely may have contributed to this lost opportunity.

00:07:59:20 – 00:08:17:24
Commissioner Kolff
Jefferson Health Care is a public hospital district. Residents in Jefferson County have the ultimate control over what we do when they vote for the five commissioners on the board. We have the hospital and many service clinics, and we are one of the very few healthcare entities in the state that did not lose money during the years of the Covid pandemic.

00:08:17:26 – 00:08:36:06
Commissioner Kolff
Our success is mostly due to Mike Lynn’s leadership, focused on growth and expansion of services that our community needs. All of this at virtually no cost to the public. Since annual property taxes pay for less than one day of the services we provide, we will definitely need to find more funding in the near future and explore more partnership opportunities.

00:08:36:08 – 00:08:44:10
Commissioner Kolff
We will definitely keep the public appropriately informed as best we can.

00:08:44:12 – 00:09:16:22
Commissioner Kolff
So that’s the, letter that is now open for consideration by the board. And, I said that we would go around clockwise or alphabetically and counter alphabetically. So this time we’ll root, we’ll go around counter alphabetically and, so we’ll start with, Commissioner. Ready?

00:09:16:24 – 00:09:29:25
Commissioner Kolff
Oh, excuse me. And Murray, he has one minute to, to make any comments, share thoughts or make a proposed amendment to the letter.

00:09:29:28 – 00:09:31:21
Commissioner Dressler
And you tell me when to start.

00:09:31:24 – 00:09:35:28
Commissioner Kolff
Yeah, go ahead and start, Murray. Thanks.

00:09:36:00 – 00:09:39:05
Commissioner Ready
Okay. You guys can hear me?

00:09:39:08 – 00:09:42:28
Commissioner Dressler
Yes.

00:09:43:00 – 00:10:02:04
Commissioner Ready
Well, I’m just going to focus on the letter. When the letter says we believe that we were in compliance with the optima when we held one executive session in February to learn about the real estate component of the alliance proposal. I did not when when we started talking about that proposal, I did not believe we were in compliance.

00:10:02:04 – 00:10:03:09
Commissioner Ready
And I emailed.

00:10:03:09 – 00:10:04:20
Commissioner Dressler
30s.

00:10:04:23 – 00:10:32:10
Commissioner Ready
On February 19th, detailed, details about not being, satisfied. And and also, that’s what the county the sheriff’s report said that there were OPM violations, including that executive session and that it looked like an unauthorized board action. I miss, and when and I did not believe Mike Glen had the authority to do this on its on his own.

00:10:32:12 – 00:10:36:06
Commissioner Ready
And I think the letter should say Mike Glen submitted the proposal.

00:10:36:09 – 00:11:03:14
Commissioner Kolff
And you leave. I’m afraid your time is. I’m afraid your time’s up. Matt. Thank you. Next is Bruce McComas. And. Bruce, are you ready? Okay. He’s unmuted. Are you ready? I am, I’m going to talk fast. First of all, I think that I think I think the letters. Okay, there’s some grammatical and some, punctuation things that need to be changed.

00:11:03:14 – 00:11:31:23
Commissioner Kolff
One line amendment addition I’d like to add would be, it’s after you go through the, the numbered four things, but it would be, the add in or that Mike Allen mentioned this in the public and the, public strategic planning sessions. They share what I was talking about. He knew that closer relationships with other health care entities would likely be necessary.

00:11:31:24 – 00:12:00:17
Commissioner Kolff
I mean, he talked about it not in detail, but he mentioned that we’d be looking at potential alliances or partnerships. So that is an amendment that you propose to the letter. Is that correct? That’s correct. Okay. So, could you read since that is a, a proposed amendment, would you mind reading the wording to that one more time?

00:12:00:19 – 00:12:33:21
Commissioner Kolff
Yeah. And where I would put it would be in the one where you talked about Rexburg DAV Dr. Carper says we knew that calls for, you know, at the end of that sentence before goes on with with the now obvious challenges. It would be Mike Glenn mentioned this in the public strategic planning sessions this year. So before we ever got into the other, he mentioned that we would be looking at potential, partnerships, partnerships or alliances.

00:12:33:24 – 00:13:05:01
Commissioner Kolff
Great. So let’s do a, let’s do a quick round on that. On that proposed amendment. And, why don’t we continue the round where we left off and then, and then we’ll we’ll take it from there. So, I’ll go next. We’re going, counter alphabetically. And, I support that amendment.

00:13:05:03 – 00:13:06:00
Commissioner Dressler
Is that it?

00:13:06:02 – 00:13:13:12
Commissioner Kolff
And next would be, my. And this. Yeah. We don’t have more than a minute to speak.

00:13:13:15 – 00:13:17:16
Commissioner Dressler
So I ask you. Okay, so is that is that your one minute to speak?

00:13:17:19 – 00:13:33:14
Commissioner Kolff
Yes. That’s my that’s a minute to speak on the amendment. Okay. Okay. Hang on a minute. Everybody has one minute to speak on the amendment. I made mine quickly. And, Murray, your next.

00:13:33:17 – 00:13:35:06
Commissioner Dressler
I agree.

00:13:35:08 – 00:13:44:10
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. And, next would be, Jill.

00:13:44:12 – 00:13:48:01
Commissioner Kolff
Jill. You’re muted.

00:13:48:03 – 00:13:49:14
Commissioner Buhler
I agree.

00:13:49:16 – 00:13:56:22
Commissioner Kolff
Thank you. And, then would be Matt ready.

00:13:56:24 – 00:14:24:00
Commissioner Ready
No, I don’t think that’s a good amendment. It’s not talking about this proposal. The Peninsula Health Alliance. It’s a specific proposal that was submitted and that was never told to the public legally until today. I think a better amendment would be something like that. Mike Glenn said. There’s nothing really to talk about. When I said there was a significant proposal that’s been submitted or that Marie Dressler said it’s airy fairy and of no consequence.

00:14:24:02 – 00:14:40:13
Commissioner Ready
And, Jill Buehler said there isn’t anything concrete to say. And Bruce McComb has said, we just talked about some possibilities. When the truth was a proposal was sent to OMC and accepted into their second round. That’s a better amendment.

00:14:40:15 – 00:14:57:24
Commissioner Kolff
All right. So this is the particular amendment that’s on the floor. Since we’ve all had around a chance to speak about it, let’s vote on this particular amendment. All in favor, please signify by saying I, any opposed?

00:14:57:27 – 00:14:58:28
Commissioner Ready
Opposed.

00:14:59:01 – 00:15:11:19
Commissioner Kolff
Okay, so, I should ask Shannon. Are you able to capture the wording on that and the location of that? Shannon.

00:15:11:21 – 00:15:14:15
Commissioner Buhler
I’m doing my best in the minutes. Can you? Yes.

00:15:14:18 – 00:15:40:15
Commissioner Kolff
Thank you very much. All right. Good. And, Bruce, if you could remember that as well when we get to that. Okay, so we are on a, we’re on the, the regular round, considering the letter. And Matt Ready went first. Bruce McComas went second to propose the amendment. I will pass on my turn.

00:15:40:17 – 00:15:48:26
Commissioner Kolff
And, Marie Dressler, it’s now your turn to, for a minute concerning the letter.

00:15:48:28 – 00:15:56:06
Commissioner Dressler
I think it says what it needs to say, and I think it’s accurate. And so I’m. I’m happy with how it is.

00:15:56:09 – 00:16:03:11
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. And then finally, Jill, do you have any comments or changes you would like to recommend?

00:16:03:13 – 00:16:42:29
Commissioner Buhler
Yes, I, I recommend add a fifth. Sentence under we were satisfied that on the second page, to, to highlight the importance of what this could have been. And I would say this alliance could result in two independent medical centers providing a strong, viable health care system that allowed patients on the entire North Olympic Peninsula to receive excellent primary and specialty care without leaving our area.

00:16:43:01 – 00:17:00:02
Commissioner Kolff
Okay, that’s an amendment that’s on the floor now. And so, we went counter. So let’s go according to the alphabet again. So, Marie, your next, what do you think about, Jill’s amendment?

00:17:00:04 – 00:17:02:03
Commissioner Dressler
I support Jill’s amendment.

00:17:02:05 – 00:17:26:14
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. I do as well. Bruce, how about you? I do as well. Okay. And Matt, how about you? We’re talking about the amendment now, please. And if you could stick to the question, that would be wonderful. You have another chance. You will have other chances to make amendments.

00:17:26:16 – 00:17:29:19
Commissioner Kolff
But there’s one other thing that’s on the table.

00:17:29:21 – 00:17:31:28
Commissioner Ready
Yeah. So I have a minute. Right.

00:17:32:01 – 00:17:33:00
Commissioner Kolff
That’s right.

00:17:33:03 – 00:17:35:17
Commissioner Dressler
57 seconds. Now.

00:17:35:20 – 00:18:04:20
Commissioner Ready
Yeah. So, Yeah, of course, an alliance could possibly be good if we, like, worked out the details and didn’t give them A75 majority. Which I’ll come back to later. I mean, yeah, an alliance could be a good thing. I mean, there’s no guarantee this one was because we didn’t have a a process in which we could actually refine it and work it out to make it a balanced, Healthy Alliance proposal because we didn’t never have a public discussion where we could actually ask questions and talk about it.

00:18:04:23 – 00:18:42:29
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Thank you. I think that’s everybody with regards to this particular amendment. So we’ll vote on, amending, putting number five in there as Jill has read it. All in favor say I, I, I think any opposed opposed. Okay. So I think we have now gone through the first round. So now we’ll start a second round again considering the letter.

00:18:43:01 – 00:19:12:21
Commissioner Kolff
And again, people are urged to see if they would like to either add something or subtract something or, change the grammar or punctuation for, which can always be done later. But let’s look for substantive changes. And this time we’re going to go start with you, Jill. Do you have another, amendment or thought you would like to add to this?

00:19:12:23 – 00:19:25:12
Commissioner Buhler
I have some definite thoughts, but they don’t agree with this letter. I mean, they’re not they’re not inherent in this letter. So I, at this point.

00:19:25:15 – 00:19:51:09
Commissioner Kolff
What you’re certainly welcome to make any thoughts about this proposal, you know, was so this is let me just clarify, Mary, for a second, in terms of the timekeeper, you’re allowed to make any statements that have bearing on what other people said, even though, and the rest of us could use that if we want to use it to strengthen or do something different with the letter.

00:19:51:11 – 00:19:58:16
Commissioner Kolff
So something that may or may not be in the letter, you’re certainly welcome to, to comment on.

00:19:58:18 – 00:20:02:11
Commissioner Buhler
Okay. Then I will go ahead Mary.

00:20:02:13 – 00:20:05:15
Commissioner Dressler
So so Jill is speaking currently.

00:20:05:18 – 00:20:09:08
Commissioner Kolff
Yes. And she’s got one minute starting now.

00:20:09:10 – 00:20:33:24
Commissioner Buhler
I, I refute commissioner is a suggestion that there was criminal intent in that, that the, they actually found that we had a, disobeyed, that the sheriff’s office had just found that we had disobeyed the, Open Public Meetings Act. That is just not true.

00:20:33:27 – 00:20:40:07
Commissioner Kolff
Are you. Wanting to make an amendment to add that to the letter somewhere?

00:20:40:09 – 00:20:43:28
Commissioner Buhler
Well, we we don’t address said in the letter, so.

00:20:44:01 – 00:20:50:29
Commissioner Kolff
We can we can we can we can add things to this letter if you’d like. So,

00:20:51:01 – 00:20:59:23
Commissioner Buhler
Okay, I will say I will come up. Okay. I could come up with a pair, with a sentence.

00:21:00:00 – 00:21:12:13
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. On the, on the next, on the next round. Okay. Good. So this round next goes to, Tamara.

00:21:12:16 – 00:21:40:04
Commissioner Dressler
I do have, there’s nothing in there that, I know I better start it. There’s nothing. There’s nothing in, in here regarding the effect this has had on the, procedure for OMC, and I think it’s harmed our relationship with OMC. With with that board of commissioners, maybe the residents as well as, as our CEO and their other leadership staff.

00:21:40:06 – 00:22:05:02
Commissioner Dressler
What has happened by one of our, commissioners disclosing information that was supposed to be confidential. So I don’t have any format or any dialog to give you. Right now, because especially doing this, but I, I think it would be nice to have something in there that, that it’s regrettable that, this, this, this incident has caused, a rift, if you like, because we always got on well with OMC.

00:22:05:02 – 00:22:20:10
Commissioner Dressler
They’ve helped us out with our Enfield and other things over the time when we’ve needed help. They’ve helped us and it’s ruined the I think our relationship or it’s certainly, put a great, stress on that relationship.

00:22:20:12 – 00:22:32:05
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Perhaps on the next round, you can come up with a brief sentence to that effect while you’re timekeeping. I appreciate your willingness to do that.

00:22:32:07 – 00:22:37:16
Commissioner Dressler
So I, I can’t drop my my, timer from my kitchen.

00:22:37:19 – 00:23:21:24
Commissioner Kolff
A good idea. All right. So I’ll go next. And my amendment would be along the lines of what, Murray has suggested, which is that, we regret that the, early disclosure of the content of our, alliance proposal to OMC, may have, caused significant,

00:23:21:27 – 00:23:23:27
Commissioner Dressler
Banks distress.

00:23:24:00 – 00:23:46:28
Commissioner Kolff
Distress, for amp OMC and for their, citizens, and their residents and, hope that we can mend some of that in the near future.

00:23:47:01 – 00:24:11:20
Commissioner Kolff
So, let’s do a quick round on that amendment. And if the wording isn’t quite right, when we do the round, you can, suggest a minor modification, and then we could vote on that. So for this round, let’s see we’re heading in this. So Bruce you’re the next one on this round. So this is this is an amendment.

00:24:11:20 – 00:24:38:19
Commissioner Kolff
This is a proposed amendment to the letter that we’re sending to the community. Okay. But yeah, but but what you are talking about. Right. So what I just said that we regret. So this is a letter from the board. Okay. I’ll pass. We’ll pass. Okay. Yes. Matt. Ready?

00:24:38:21 – 00:25:02:10
Commissioner Ready
I mean, I hope you guys will, like, reflect on how you could have handled this differently. So to avoid this, you’re trying to say that I somehow did something wrong. But if this had been handled correctly, then me just speaking the truth about this proposal would not have been. Shouldn’t cause any disruption to, a legal, valid process.

00:25:02:12 – 00:25:19:15
Commissioner Ready
Yeah. So I mean, this I’m sure this is bad for OMC and it’s bad. It was handled so poorly. There’s a right way to do this, and that’s you guys need to figure out what that is. And moving forward we need to do things correctly and legally. And, the sheriff’s report says it seems likely that the actions violated the Washington state OPM.

00:25:19:20 – 00:25:25:01
Commissioner Ready
The actions likely violate the OPM. That’s what the sheriff’s report said.

00:25:25:04 – 00:25:37:08
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Thank you for your comments. Jill, back to you on this latest, amendment to the, letter.

00:25:37:10 – 00:25:37:27
Commissioner Buhler
I.

00:25:38:00 – 00:25:39:03
Commissioner Kolff
Regret.

00:25:39:06 – 00:25:42:12
Commissioner Buhler
I support that, I support your amendment.

00:25:42:15 – 00:25:45:07
Commissioner Kolff
And, Murray, do you support I.

00:25:45:07 – 00:25:56:23
Commissioner Dressler
Said I support it because it’s pretty much what I said. So I think it’s great, but I’m not going to I’m not going to add any more. Dialog to that.

00:25:56:25 – 00:25:57:17
Commissioner Kolff
Say that again.

00:25:57:18 – 00:26:05:10
Commissioner Dressler
You’re I’m not going to add any more dialog to what? Or what do you said or just maybe polish a little bit, but no, that’s perfect.

00:26:05:12 – 00:26:15:24
Commissioner Kolff
All right. So let’s take a vote on this amendment. All in favor, please signify by saying I, I any opposed?

00:26:15:27 – 00:26:17:05
Commissioner Ready
Nay.

00:26:17:07 – 00:26:51:12
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. So let’s see, I’m trying to figure out where we were. Here it was Murray and then case. So, we’re finishing a round. I believe that still has Bruce. To speak on this round regarding the letter. Okay, so because, part of the claims, you know, are there unsubstantiated claims that that made that a reference to the start?

00:26:51:15 – 00:27:18:13
Commissioner Kolff
I have an addition I’d like to make to the letter. Okay. I don’t I don’t know exactly where I would go, might go after the first paragraph. I don’t know where it talks about his. And I would say any violations of the board’s code of conduct? OPM has rules regarding executive session, confidential ality, and possibly to RC W’s.

00:27:18:16 – 00:27:46:01
Commissioner Kolff
Were committed by Commissioner Reti himself. Okay. Thank you. Let’s do it. Let’s do around. Whether, we, accept that amendment or want to change it. And we’re going in order here. So, Matt, you’re the first one who gets to reply to that.

00:27:50:18 – 00:28:14:03
Commissioner Ready
Yeah. I mean, our fiduciary duty to tell the public if an illegal proposal has been submitted on behalf of Jefferson County without a legal board vote, overrides any executive session or any non-disclosure agreement any of you signed. And, I mean, a non-disclosure agreement doesn’t prevent you from telling the truth to the public and doing your fiduciary duty and telling people answer answering questions.

00:28:14:05 – 00:28:33:04
Commissioner Ready
This NDA, in the secrecy of the executive and the executive session doesn’t hold. Once you email a proposal to another, place that breaks the executive session once you’ve sent the proposal out. So it wasn’t even covered by executive session. Anyways, that’s all.

00:28:33:07 – 00:28:37:03
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Thank you. Jill.

00:28:37:06 – 00:28:40:11
Commissioner Buhler
I support that. I support Bruce’s.

00:28:40:11 – 00:28:41:20
Commissioner Kolff
Amendment.

00:28:41:22 – 00:28:44:10
Commissioner Buhler
Amendment?

00:28:44:12 – 00:28:45:29
Commissioner Kolff
Mari. You’re next.

00:28:46:01 – 00:28:49:01
Commissioner Dressler
I do support that amendment, okay?

00:28:49:04 – 00:29:21:17
Commissioner Kolff
And I do as well. So let’s have a vote on Bruce’s amendment, and we’ll figure out where it goes at a later date. All in favor of the amendment, please signify by saying I, I, I any opposed? Nay. Thank you. And so then I think at this point, we’re ready to do one more round, if I’m not mistaken, I’m hearing something funny.

00:29:21:21 – 00:29:45:12
Commissioner Kolff
Can you all still hear me? I was hearing an echo. All right, so I think at this point, we’re ready to do one more last round. And again, it will include some other little rounds. If there are amendments. And this time we’ll go, we’ll start with Matt ready. And we’ll go up the alphabetic order. Matt.

00:29:45:14 – 00:30:02:11
Commissioner Ready
Well, something I just wanted to clarify is I’d be willing to go under oath for anything I’ve said today or anything I’ve ever said. And I really wonder if the rest of you would do the same thing when this letter says, at no time did Mike Glenn seek consent on either the content or request permission to submit the proposal.

00:30:02:11 – 00:30:21:28
Commissioner Ready
During the executive session. That is completely untrue. I asked Mike during the executive session, are you looking for some sort of approval today? You all heard him say, yes, there was a bunch of strategic leadership there. If you guys ever had to testify under oath to this, I really wonder if you would take your oath seriously and tell the truth about what happened.

00:30:22:00 – 00:30:30:02
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Thank you. Then we go to Bruce.

00:30:30:04 – 00:31:10:10
Commissioner Kolff
All right, I don’t right? I don’t have anything else to add to the letter. Okay. Oh. I’ll pass. Okay. Thank you. Then it goes to me and, again, it’s, I’m just, thinking if there’s something that should be in the letter that basically says, that the prosecuting attorney for Jefferson County basically threw out or closed this case after the sheriff had sent his, opinion to the prosecuting attorney.

00:31:10:13 – 00:31:36:00
Commissioner Kolff
So, you know, Matt’s claim that the, that the sheriff’s office, what do they know about OPMA and public hospital districts? said that we were in violation sent that on to the prosecuting attorney who basically said, I’m not going to deal with this. This is not our bailiwick. This is not our area. And he closed the case.

00:31:36:00 – 00:31:48:28
Commissioner Kolff
So I think that sort of closes off that whole argument. But I don’t think I have anything else to add to the letter. So from there we go to Murray.

00:31:49:00 – 00:32:04:18
Commissioner Dressler
So can I ask you from that statement you just made case, is that you you want that to be you think that that is that is relevant and and should it be in the letter? I don’t just it could well be in the letter because.

00:32:04:20 – 00:32:06:06
Commissioner Kolff
It would be.

00:32:06:09 – 00:32:27:28
Commissioner Dressler
Because, Commissioner Rudy still maintains the sheriff’s office said that we possibly did, it violates the Open Public Meetings Act. And so therefore, it would be as well, if he’s still going to maintain that, to be able to refute it, because I don’t believe we did.

00:32:28:00 – 00:32:45:03
Commissioner Kolff
Right. Well, if you would like to I didn’t make that as a motion to add to the letter. But, if you would like to make that or if Jill, she’s the last person up, would like to propose that as an amendment, we could do that.

00:32:45:06 – 00:32:50:06
Commissioner Dressler
Well, I’m running out of time now, so I’ve got two seconds to go. So I’ll leave it to my colleague.

00:32:50:09 – 00:32:52:21
Commissioner Kolff
Okay.

00:32:52:24 – 00:33:07:09
Commissioner Buhler
Okay. I have two amendments. One, Commissioner Ryder’s allegation of any criminal action of this forward, the and or the hospital district is absolutely false.

00:33:07:12 – 00:33:11:12
Commissioner Kolff
Okay, that’s one amendment. And what would be your second one or.

00:33:11:14 – 00:33:48:17
Commissioner Buhler
A passing vote of the, would be, of the Alliance would be a majority vote of each board that addresses the, in in equality of the number of board members it would require. And we had already thought of that, that there is a way to do that. And I think we mentioned that in one of the meetings that it would require a major, a majority vote of each board for anything that the alliance passed.

00:33:49:18 – 00:33:57:04
Commissioner Dressler
I think the term was a super, a super supermajority. Yeah.

00:33:57:07 – 00:34:11:06
Commissioner Kolff
Well, I think that’s different. I think that’s a different. Those are two separate amendments. So technically, I think we can only take one of those. Would you prefer to do the first one?

00:34:11:08 – 00:34:12:10
Commissioner Buhler
Yes.

00:34:12:12 – 00:34:25:12
Commissioner Kolff
The second one is referred to in the letter. So, all right, so let’s go for this. So could you read the first the, amendment that you first made?

00:34:25:15 – 00:34:43:14
Commissioner Buhler
Commissioner readies allegation of any criminal action against this board, by this board or the hospital district. I completely faults.

00:34:43:16 – 00:34:45:14
Commissioner Kolff
Okay, so that’s the.

00:34:45:17 – 00:34:53:06
Commissioner Buhler
Action of any criminal action by by this board. Our hospital district is absolutely supports.

00:34:53:08 – 00:34:58:05
Commissioner Kolff
Okay, Mary, what what are your thoughts about that amendment?

00:34:58:07 – 00:35:00:03
Commissioner Dressler
I support that amendment.

00:35:00:06 – 00:35:55:12
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. I go next, and, I would like to add to that amendment that, something to the effect, and the, local prosecuting attorney, has, I’m not sure I want to say has confirmed that, Well, let’s leave that out. I think that gets to. So I will, I’ll support the amendment the way it is because I wouldn’t want to, over quote the action that the, prosecuting prosecuting attorney, made or said, when he basically closed the case or did not take it up.

00:35:55:15 – 00:36:01:24
Commissioner Kolff
So then we go to Bruce.

00:36:01:26 – 00:36:25:08
Commissioner McComas
Yeah, I mean, I, I agree with what Joe was saying. I mean, everything else is unsubstantiated. The only person who actually has come out and said that there was a violation is Matt himself, and he’s not an attorney. Okay. But you do have a another half minute. If there’s anything more you want to say.

00:36:25:10 – 00:36:37:17
Commissioner Kolff
No, I don’t I don’t want no, no, I’m good. All right. Good. And and and Matt, you’re the last one, on this particular amendment.

00:36:37:19 – 00:36:57:24
Commissioner Ready
Yeah. I mean, I did not like I sent in a criminal complaint, but that was for them to investigate whether or not there were crimes. So what they said was, it seems likely that the actions described may violate the Washington State Open Public Meeting Act with potential civil penalties. But criminal charges are less certain and would need further investigation, they said.

00:36:58:00 – 00:37:24:00
Commissioner Ready
Their research suggests possible official misconduct. A gross misdemeanor is a possibly inappropriate charge, but it would take, you’d have to prove criminal intent. I mean, so, yeah, it may not be criminal, but they recognize the wrongdoing and recognize the deception and the coordinated conspiracy to deceive. They say the evidence leads towards unauthorized board actions and suppression of transparency, raising concerns about public trust and governance.

00:37:24:00 – 00:37:29:27
Commissioner Ready
That’s what our sheriff determined after looking into all the documentation.

00:37:30:00 – 00:37:43:15
Commissioner Kolff
Okay. Thank you. So, there’s a motion on the floor. Let’s, take it to the vote. All in favor of, the motion signify by saying I.

00:37:43:18 – 00:37:44:15
Commissioner Buhler
I.

00:37:44:18 – 00:37:55:09
Commissioner Kolff
I all opposed, nay. Okay. So,

00:37:55:11 – 00:38:22:09
Commissioner Kolff
So now we should take a vote on the full letter. And, I think we’ve had enough rounds. So why don’t we just vote on the letter? All in favor of, making this the official letter to the community from, the board of Jefferson Healthcare? Please signify by saying I.

00:38:22:12 – 00:38:39:08
Commissioner Dressler
Could I ask, could I? Yes. Can I ask a question first base. So because you have to wordsmith a couple of things with the the, commission disclosure, has interrupted our relationship with OMC. Are we going to get a second look at it with any grammar and all that stuff done before?

00:38:39:08 – 00:38:49:23
Commissioner Kolff
It’s sure. Then let’s let’s vote on accepting this letter as it is, with appropriate grammatical, punctuation and other minor wording changes that.

00:38:49:25 – 00:38:51:21
Commissioner Dressler
Continue to change the.

00:38:51:25 – 00:39:10:24
Commissioner Kolff
Continue to convey the intent and the content. Thank you. Yeah, that’s my proposal for us to vote on. All in favor, say aye. Aye aye. Any opposed? Nay. Okay, okay. Well, Madam Chairperson, I think I have finished. I think I.